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rituel
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Posté le 21-10-2003 02:36

Connaissez vous la commande pour ne prendre en compte que les caractères aplphanumériques et oublier les caractères spéciaux en fait concatener les modes Alpha et Digits.

Ou dois je créer mon propre fichier de caractère ?
Si oui comment faire, dans la doc ils parlent de créer des jeux de caractères à partir de fichiers passwords mais moi je veux juste aAbBcCdDeE ... zZ 1234567890 dois je simplement faire le jeu de caractères à partir d\'un fichier ou je n\'écris que cette suite de caractères ?

Je me permet d\'insister car ca m\'embêterai de passer 6 mois de plus à cause d\'une \"malconfiguration\".

Rituel.
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Kes
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ben c\'est bien j\'avais passé une heure a rediger un tuto et quand je le post j\'ai une sorte de message de session expiré (c\'est safe ici !) et vlan tout perdu
Donc comme j\'en est ras le cul je ne vais pas recommencer, lis donc le fichier rules de john the ripper et regarde les regles pour concatener des lettres apres des wordlists de lettres uniques et regarde aussi (méthode 2) comment rajouter un fichier chr en editant john.conf tout en sachant que john fera son charset en fonction de john.pot
<b>indice<b>:
faire un fichier john.pot avec comme contenu:
aaaaaaaaaaaaa:1234567890abcde...... etc
enfin bref 13 * a et : et ton charset
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Merci bien
Dommage pour ton tuto, la prochaine fois écris le d\'abord dans un éditeur texte pour minimiser les risques.

Edit :

J\'ai pas eu le temps de tester ce matin mais en m\'y attardant plus ce midi je me pose encore quelques questions :

Est ce que les passwords sont Case sensitive ? Car je ne sais pas quoi mettre dans Charcount : 36 ou 62

Sinon voilà ma section dans mon fichier config de John :

[Incremental:Monchr]
File = ~/monchr.chr
MinLen = 1
MaxLen = 12
CharCount = 36

Ma deuxième question est la suivante : Je n\'ai pas encore crée le fichier monchr.chr car je n\'ai pas très bien compris ce que tu m\'expliquais :

Quand tu dis d\'aligner 13 a puis : puis mon charset, a quoi servent les 13 a ?

Ma troisième question rejoint la première : Si c\'est case sensitive mon charset dois il comporter aAbBcCdD ... ou bien John le fait seul et j\'ai juste à mettre abcd ...

Ma quatrième et dernière question est la suivante : la commande pour créer mon charset est elle bien :

john -makechars:monchr.chr john.pot (En admettant que comme tu l\'a précisé je met la chaîne de caractère dans john.pot)

Je te remercie d\'avance pour tout,

Rituel.

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Le 21-10-2003 10:15, rituel a écrit :
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Merci bien
Dommage pour ton tuto, la prochaine fois écris le d\'abord dans un éditeur texte pour minimiser les risques.

Edit :


mouai

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J\'ai pas eu le temps de tester ce matin mais en m\'y attardant plus ce midi je me pose encore quelques questions :

Est ce que les passwords sont Case sensitive ? Car je ne sais pas quoi mettre dans Charcount : 36 ou 62


Si tu cree un charset de 36 characteres mets 36, si tu crée un charset de 62 et ben... mets 62. Quant a savoir si les mots de pass en majuscules equivalent a ceux en minuscules ? la reponse est non le pass chiffré sera different

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Sinon voilà ma section dans mon fichier config de John :

[Incremental:Monchr]
File = ~/monchr.chr
MinLen = 1
MaxLen = 12
CharCount = 36


Un maxlen superieur à 8 ne sert a rien parce que john n\'aime pas et des non plus (sers a rien et puis trop lon gde toute facon pour un charset de 36) ensuite ne mets pas \"~/monchr.chr\" mais \"monchr.chr\" si tu es dans le meme repertoire que john (sauf unix)

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Ma deuxième question est la suivante : Je n\'ai pas encore crée le fichier monchr.chr car je n\'ai pas très bien compris ce que tu m\'expliquais :

Quand tu dis d\'aligner 13 a puis : puis mon charset, a quoi servent les 13 a ?


John crée ses charsets avec makechars a partir du fichier john.pot et des charateres qui sont present dans ce qu\'il a dejà cracké. Les 13 a suivit de : represente donc le resultat d\'un crackage reussit avec john (un pass en des = 2 salt suivit de 11 caracteres donc 13 caracteres)

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Ma troisième question rejoint la première : Si c\'est case sensitive mon charset dois il comporter aAbBcCdD ... ou bien John le fait seul et j\'ai juste à mettre abcd ...


john differencie les majuscules des minuscules.

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Ma quatrième et dernière question est la suivante : la commande pour créer mon charset est elle bien :

john -makechars:monchr.chr john.pot (En admettant que comme tu l\'a précisé je met la chaîne de caractère dans john.pot)


john -makechars:monchr.chr suffit john.pot il te le prendra de toute façon quoi que tu ecrives.

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Je te remercie d\'avance pour tout,




Pas de probleme.
Il y a une deuxième methode (un peu plus lourdeau pour les attaques longues mais je te le cite malgré toute.
Il s\'agit de crée une wordliste des caracteres avec lesquels tu veux faire l\'attaque du style
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a
b
c
d
....


etc...
ensuite tu edite la zone de john.conf correpondant aux attaques wordlist
et tu mets un truc du style
:
$[a-z0-9]
$[a-z0-9]$[a-z0-9]
etc...
: fait l\'attaque a un caracteres
$[a-z0-9] fait l\'attaque a deux caracteres par concatenation de chaine à la fin ^[a-z0-9] concatene au debut pour info
mais tu peux aussi employer la syntaxe $[0123456789abcd] je les mets pas touts etc... ce que je fait d\'habitude meme si c\'est plus lourd
l\'attaque c\'est
john -w:talistedelettre.txt -rules tonficheirdepass.txt
il est important de mettre les rules sinon sa sert à rien

[ Ce Message a été édité par: Kes le 2003-10-21 17:56 ]
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Merf le seul Pc avec lequel je peux cracker sans interruption ne fait que du ~40 000 Passwords/s

((36^8)/(40 000))/(3600x24)) = ~816 Jours = ~2 ans et 86 jours
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ouai en fait le mode incremental peut etre interessant si tu n\'a qu\'un pass a cracker (ou alors avec le meme salt) si tu as une liste de 1000 pass tu aura un nombre de salt comparable ce qui te ralentira ton attaque d\'un facteur 500 à 1000.
Mais les attaques à 8 caracteres c\'ets laisse tomber
le max raisonnalbe c\'est 6 et sur l\'alphabet minuscule
autrement avec un charset de 62 au delà de 5 c\'est chaud (et encore meme la)
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Héhé avec ma moule ... Déjà 1 de cracké alphanumérique 8 caractères lol (en 11 Heures).
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ben t\'as du bol et un ordi plus rapide que le mien a moins bien sur que ce soit un truc du style:
aaa465651
parce ca je fais aussi
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Non John semble procéder de manières aléatoire, par contre le processeur travaille mieux qu\'au début du programme il tourne à ~70 000 c/s
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